Hi David,
My mind works in the "big picture" sort of, so that's why I am always speculating in that by trying to imagine as many scenarios as possible, yet based on the facts, I can find reason from the Bible prophecies to my own mind. Of course my faith is in the Bible even when my imagination fails, but, speculating gives me some sense of peace.
Having said that, it is difficult not to take these "taken" verses at literal apprearance, in that some wicked people will be "whisked" away to the place where a literal battle is taking place..etc... which would also look similar to the "whisking" away of the elect giving in a weird way creedance to the "rapture" stuff.
If "whisking" were even the proper term, I would give it to the elect's gathering at the seventh trump since now I see that a person could be taken in Judgment where he sits.. My mind has not let me fathom a way that the elect could be resurrected and changed and gathered and the entire world not take serious notice in the previous timeline, but, the new timeline gives me possibilities....
The living elect will have been virtually irradicated or imprisoned by the time the "sign" appears. Given the reference to the meeting in the air, those who are "raised" from the dead first could easily be raised not visible(given they will see the Lord as he is--and he hasn't made himself manifest to the world at this time) or at least hidden and those living/changed might not create that big a stir if the numbers have been dwindled; they will have power at ths time.
This idea still stretched the boundaries of notice a bit, until the revised timeline. Given that the "tenth" of the city falls before the seventh trumpet, accompanied by "earthquakes" and a large death toll already, there will be much going on to distract the world from the elect and even give reason for disappearances. With the possibilities of the seven vials that I've guessed about, it is reasonable to assume, even statistically, that not every single person in an attacked nation would be immediately affected or even killed even if the death toll is massive. Much more if the Father is actually via angels..etc..protecting the ones "left" who have turned to Him due to the sign or tribulation itself.
As I said, it is sometimes hard to not imagine bad people suddenly flying through the air to a location before reasoning it out, but, taken in Judgment makes more sense as that this term can apply to individuals as well as nations and does not have to be at the same time, which the elect gathering implies. It's easy enough to pick up stories of a tree falling on one person and killing or hurting him while the Christian next to him saying he had been spared by God. How much moreso could this actually be the case in that "day".
Thoughts if you dare?
Chris the Speculator
My mind works in the "big picture" sort of, so that's why I am always speculating in that by trying to imagine as many scenarios as possible, yet based on the facts, I can find reason from the Bible prophecies to my own mind. Of course my faith is in the Bible even when my imagination fails, but, speculating gives me some sense of peace.
Having said that, it is difficult not to take these "taken" verses at literal apprearance, in that some wicked people will be "whisked" away to the place where a literal battle is taking place..etc... which would also look similar to the "whisking" away of the elect giving in a weird way creedance to the "rapture" stuff.
If "whisking" were even the proper term, I would give it to the elect's gathering at the seventh trump since now I see that a person could be taken in Judgment where he sits.. My mind has not let me fathom a way that the elect could be resurrected and changed and gathered and the entire world not take serious notice in the previous timeline, but, the new timeline gives me possibilities....
The living elect will have been virtually irradicated or imprisoned by the time the "sign" appears. Given the reference to the meeting in the air, those who are "raised" from the dead first could easily be raised not visible(given they will see the Lord as he is--and he hasn't made himself manifest to the world at this time) or at least hidden and those living/changed might not create that big a stir if the numbers have been dwindled; they will have power at ths time.
This idea still stretched the boundaries of notice a bit, until the revised timeline. Given that the "tenth" of the city falls before the seventh trumpet, accompanied by "earthquakes" and a large death toll already, there will be much going on to distract the world from the elect and even give reason for disappearances. With the possibilities of the seven vials that I've guessed about, it is reasonable to assume, even statistically, that not every single person in an attacked nation would be immediately affected or even killed even if the death toll is massive. Much more if the Father is actually via angels..etc..protecting the ones "left" who have turned to Him due to the sign or tribulation itself.
As I said, it is sometimes hard to not imagine bad people suddenly flying through the air to a location before reasoning it out, but, taken in Judgment makes more sense as that this term can apply to individuals as well as nations and does not have to be at the same time, which the elect gathering implies. It's easy enough to pick up stories of a tree falling on one person and killing or hurting him while the Christian next to him saying he had been spared by God. How much moreso could this actually be the case in that "day".
Thoughts if you dare?
Chris the Speculator
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