Hi Rhonda,
Well, to me it seems like Daniel 11-12 takes us all the way from the Persain empire to 'the time of the end'.
I realize some scholars (mostly those of the preterist crowd) take this to mean the end of the Jewish dispensation, and that all was fulfilled by 70 A.D. when Jerusalem was detroyed at the hands of Titus.
The problem with this view, as I see it is this: Daniel 12:1 talks about a 'time of trouble' like none since there was a nation. Jesus referred to this too in Matthew 24. But in Daniel 12 we also see that the resurrection is also connected with this time. Did the resurrection also take place in 70 AD?
Daniel 11 shows a continuous chain of events starting with the Persains, detailing the wars of the Selucids and Ptolemies, the Rise of the Romans, the rule of the Papacy, and finally the time of the end. I do not see how it CAN'T have some application to our day. The 'time, times, and half a time' menationed in Revelation is taken from Danied 12, and therefore by inspritation that period is connected to the Christian church - at least in some way.
I have studied the works of those who say that all prophecy was fulfilled by 70 A.D. - including these passages from Daniel. I am not convinced. These will hold to the strictest, most literal sense of the language when it comes to matters of TIME, but regress into the most absurd genaralities when it comes to explaining how some of these things - like the resurrection- actually happened.
I'm reminded of the words of Paul:
2Ti 2:17-18
(17) And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
(18) Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
Jesus said a great tribulation is coming in which if the days were not shortened, no flesh would be saved. The Two Witnesses, whatever they may be, are overcome and killed. The fifth seal tells of another great persecution yet to come. Daniel says that all things are fulfilled when the power of the holy people is shattered. This does not lead me to believe that there is some great preaching work to be done in the period immediately before Jesus returns.
Love ya,
David
Well, to me it seems like Daniel 11-12 takes us all the way from the Persain empire to 'the time of the end'.
I realize some scholars (mostly those of the preterist crowd) take this to mean the end of the Jewish dispensation, and that all was fulfilled by 70 A.D. when Jerusalem was detroyed at the hands of Titus.
The problem with this view, as I see it is this: Daniel 12:1 talks about a 'time of trouble' like none since there was a nation. Jesus referred to this too in Matthew 24. But in Daniel 12 we also see that the resurrection is also connected with this time. Did the resurrection also take place in 70 AD?
Daniel 11 shows a continuous chain of events starting with the Persains, detailing the wars of the Selucids and Ptolemies, the Rise of the Romans, the rule of the Papacy, and finally the time of the end. I do not see how it CAN'T have some application to our day. The 'time, times, and half a time' menationed in Revelation is taken from Danied 12, and therefore by inspritation that period is connected to the Christian church - at least in some way.
I have studied the works of those who say that all prophecy was fulfilled by 70 A.D. - including these passages from Daniel. I am not convinced. These will hold to the strictest, most literal sense of the language when it comes to matters of TIME, but regress into the most absurd genaralities when it comes to explaining how some of these things - like the resurrection- actually happened.
I'm reminded of the words of Paul:
2Ti 2:17-18
(17) And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
(18) Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
Jesus said a great tribulation is coming in which if the days were not shortened, no flesh would be saved. The Two Witnesses, whatever they may be, are overcome and killed. The fifth seal tells of another great persecution yet to come. Daniel says that all things are fulfilled when the power of the holy people is shattered. This does not lead me to believe that there is some great preaching work to be done in the period immediately before Jesus returns.
Love ya,
David
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