Hi David,
I am revisiting our conversation on "the sun and moon". Per the sixth seal, a good argument has been presented that the proper meaning to the phrase is "enlightenment and truth". I am having some problems making this the universal meaning.
Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; that the third part of them should be darkened, and the day should not shine for the third part of it, and the night in like manner.
In this instance, is one third of "truth" smitten or does this mean one third of an empire or government?
While I agree that under the sixth seal that Elliott missed the point about "Christian Rome" being the judgment on "pagan Rome", is it possible that the term COULD at times mean government, or calamity, or overthrow in general?
The reason I'm on this is trying to sort of line up Matthew 24..
Mat 24:29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
I see that the sign of the Son of Man happens next sequentially and if "after" means "after" then it could be determined that the darkening of the sun and moon(upheaval, calamity...etc...) happens "after" the tribulation, when I know that enlightenment or truth is darkened DURING the tribulation as the Witnesses lie dead.
Maybe as far as 'truth and enlightenment" go, it would make better sense to me if the passage in Matthew were to read: Immediately after the tribulation the sun and moon shall have BEEN darkened...
One more instance where I'm not sure that TRUTH applies as a definition is...
Rev 21:23 And the city hath no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine upon it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamp thereof is the Lamb.
Anyway, your thoughts would be appreciated, but, if this will be covered in your detailed account, just ignore this one and I'll wait.
Your Brother,
Chris
I am revisiting our conversation on "the sun and moon". Per the sixth seal, a good argument has been presented that the proper meaning to the phrase is "enlightenment and truth". I am having some problems making this the universal meaning.
Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; that the third part of them should be darkened, and the day should not shine for the third part of it, and the night in like manner.
In this instance, is one third of "truth" smitten or does this mean one third of an empire or government?
While I agree that under the sixth seal that Elliott missed the point about "Christian Rome" being the judgment on "pagan Rome", is it possible that the term COULD at times mean government, or calamity, or overthrow in general?
The reason I'm on this is trying to sort of line up Matthew 24..
Mat 24:29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
I see that the sign of the Son of Man happens next sequentially and if "after" means "after" then it could be determined that the darkening of the sun and moon(upheaval, calamity...etc...) happens "after" the tribulation, when I know that enlightenment or truth is darkened DURING the tribulation as the Witnesses lie dead.
Maybe as far as 'truth and enlightenment" go, it would make better sense to me if the passage in Matthew were to read: Immediately after the tribulation the sun and moon shall have BEEN darkened...
One more instance where I'm not sure that TRUTH applies as a definition is...
Rev 21:23 And the city hath no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine upon it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamp thereof is the Lamb.
Anyway, your thoughts would be appreciated, but, if this will be covered in your detailed account, just ignore this one and I'll wait.
Your Brother,
Chris
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